Constraints for New Vocabularies - Revision history

Annevk: /* Ignorant author copy/paste */

2011-01-26T12:09:24Z

Ignorant author copy/paste

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	Authors have, for some reason I haven't understood but which I have seen a ''lot'' on the web, a weird way of working, which consists of, sometimes, copying seemingly random chunks of pages, and pasting them into their own. They will even copy stuff from pages where the stuff does something in one browser (e.g. Firefox when that page is sent as XML), and paste them into their page where it does nothing (e.g. they're using IE). So even if a tag is unused now, in the time between UA 1 implementing the feature (and leading edge users using it) and UA 4 implementing the feature (and thus all users having it) there will be millions of crackpot authors who copy and paste content from good authors targetting UA1 and expose that content to UA4, thus creating a pile of "legacy" content ''after'' we define the syntax. (This has already happened with SVG and MathML in text/html, q.v. http://www.cocopahrv.com/map.html and http://www.laroseweb.com/calcs/fans.php .)		Authors have, for some reason I haven't understood but which I have seen a ''lot'' on the web, a weird way of working, which consists of, sometimes, copying seemingly random chunks of pages, and pasting them into their own. They will even copy stuff from pages where the stuff does something in one browser (e.g. Firefox when that page is sent as XML), and paste them into their page where it does nothing (e.g. they're using IE). So even if a tag is unused now, in the time between UA 1 implementing the feature (and leading edge users using it) and UA 4 implementing the feature (and thus all users having it) there will be millions of crackpot authors who copy and paste content from good authors targetting UA1 and expose that content to UA4, thus creating a pile of "legacy" content ''after'' we define the syntax. (This has already happened with SVG and MathML in text/html, q.v. http://www.cocopahrv.com/map.html and http://www.laroseweb.com/calcs/fans.php .)

	[[Category:~~Feature Request~~]]		[[Category:Proposals]]

Mabdul: rm see below; the reader will see it by one, we shouldn't advise himto"read that and that"

2008-12-01T11:39:19Z

rm see below; the reader will see it by one, we shouldn't advise himto"read that and that"

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	* Render pages that today contain MathML in text/html better than today.		* Render pages that today contain MathML in text/html better than today.
	* Support MathML and SVG in the same way where possible.		* Support MathML and SVG in the same way where possible.
	* Fail gracefully in the face of ignorant author copy/paste ~~(see below)~~.		* Fail gracefully in the face of ignorant author copy/paste.

	==Ignorant author copy/paste==		==Ignorant author copy/paste==

Mabdul: adding Category:Feature Request

2008-12-01T11:37:20Z

adding Category:Feature Request

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	==Ignorant author copy/paste==		==Ignorant author copy/paste==
	Authors have, for some reason I haven't understood but which I have seen a ''lot'' on the web, a weird way of working, which consists of, sometimes, copying seemingly random chunks of pages, and pasting them into their own. They will even copy stuff from pages where the stuff does something in one browser (e.g. Firefox when that page is sent as XML), and paste them into their page where it does nothing (e.g. they're using IE). So even if a tag is unused now, in the time between UA 1 implementing the feature (and leading edge users using it) and UA 4 implementing the feature (and thus all users having it) there will be millions of crackpot authors who copy and paste content from good authors targetting UA1 and expose that content to UA4, thus creating a pile of "legacy" content ''after'' we define the syntax. (This has already happened with SVG and MathML in text/html, q.v. http://www.cocopahrv.com/map.html and http://www.laroseweb.com/calcs/fans.php .)		Authors have, for some reason I haven't understood but which I have seen a ''lot'' on the web, a weird way of working, which consists of, sometimes, copying seemingly random chunks of pages, and pasting them into their own. They will even copy stuff from pages where the stuff does something in one browser (e.g. Firefox when that page is sent as XML), and paste them into their page where it does nothing (e.g. they're using IE). So even if a tag is unused now, in the time between UA 1 implementing the feature (and leading edge users using it) and UA 4 implementing the feature (and thus all users having it) there will be millions of crackpot authors who copy and paste content from good authors targetting UA1 and expose that content to UA4, thus creating a pile of "legacy" content ''after'' we define the syntax. (This has already happened with SVG and MathML in text/html, q.v. http://www.cocopahrv.com/map.html and http://www.laroseweb.com/calcs/fans.php .)

			[[Category:Feature Request]]

Hixie at 11:32, 28 May 2008

2008-05-28T11:32:43Z

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	~~See~~ the notes in:		This page documents some of the constraints we have to work within when developing new syntax for HTML. It is primarily written in the context of MathML and SVG being added to text/html.

			For a more detailed discussion, see the notes in:
	* http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Apr/0028.html		* http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Apr/0028.html
	* http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20080417		* http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20080417
	* http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-April/014372.html		* http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-April/014372.html

	In ~~particular~~:		In summary, the constraints are that we must:
	* Render the following in a way that is not significantly worse than today (extra whitespace is probably ok, most other things are probably not):		* Render the following in a way that is not significantly worse than today (extra whitespace is probably ok, most other things are probably not):
	** http://www.cocopahrv.com/map.html		** http://www.cocopahrv.com/map.html
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	* Render pages that today contain MathML in text/html better than today.		* Render pages that today contain MathML in text/html better than today.
	* Support MathML and SVG in the same way where possible.		* Support MathML and SVG in the same way where possible.
	* Fail gracefully in the face of ignorant author copy/paste.		* Fail gracefully in the face of ignorant author copy/paste (see below).

			==Ignorant author copy/paste==
	Authors have, for some reason I haven't understood but which I have seen a ''lot'' on the web, a weird way of working, which consists of, sometimes, copying seemingly random chunks of pages, and pasting them into their own. They will even copy stuff from pages where the stuff does something in one browser (e.g. Firefox when that page is sent as XML), and paste them into their page where it does nothing (e.g. they're using IE). So even if a tag is unused now, in the time between UA 1 implementing the feature (and leading edge users using it) and UA 4 implementing the feature (and thus all users having it) there will be millions of crackpot authors who copy and paste content from good authors targetting UA1 and expose that content to UA4, thus creating a pile of "legacy" content ''after'' we define the syntax. (This has already happened with SVG and MathML in text/html, q.v. http://www.cocopahrv.com/map.html and http://www.laroseweb.com/calcs/fans.php .)		Authors have, for some reason I haven't understood but which I have seen a ''lot'' on the web, a weird way of working, which consists of, sometimes, copying seemingly random chunks of pages, and pasting them into their own. They will even copy stuff from pages where the stuff does something in one browser (e.g. Firefox when that page is sent as XML), and paste them into their page where it does nothing (e.g. they're using IE). So even if a tag is unused now, in the time between UA 1 implementing the feature (and leading edge users using it) and UA 4 implementing the feature (and thus all users having it) there will be millions of crackpot authors who copy and paste content from good authors targetting UA1 and expose that content to UA4, thus creating a pile of "legacy" content ''after'' we define the syntax. (This has already happened with SVG and MathML in text/html, q.v. http://www.cocopahrv.com/map.html and http://www.laroseweb.com/calcs/fans.php .)

Hixie at 11:31, 28 May 2008

2008-05-28T11:31:04Z

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	In particular:		In particular:
	* Render the following in a way that is not significantly worse than today (extra whitespace is probably ok, most other things are probably not):		* Render the following in a way that is not significantly worse than today (extra whitespace is probably ok, most other things are probably not):
	** [http://www.cocopahrv.com/map.html]		** http://www.cocopahrv.com/map.html
	** [http://www.laroseweb.com/calcs/fans.php]		** http://www.laroseweb.com/calcs/fans.php
	** [http://puysl.com/view.htm]		** http://puysl.com/view.htm
	** [http://albren.blogspot.com/2007/02/l05-traductor.html]		** http://albren.blogspot.com/2007/02/l05-traductor.html
	* Render pages that today contain MathML in text/html better than today.		* Render pages that today contain MathML in text/html better than today.
	* Support MathML and SVG in the same way where possible.		* Support MathML and SVG in the same way where possible.
	* Fail gracefully in the face of ignorant author copy/paste.		* Fail gracefully in the face of ignorant author copy/paste.

	Authors have, for some reason I haven't understood but which I have seen a ''lot'' on the web, a weird way of working, which consists of, sometimes, copying seemingly random chunks of pages, and pasting them into their own. They will even copy stuff from pages where the stuff does something in one browser (e.g. Firefox when that page is sent as XML), and paste them into their page where it does nothing (e.g. they're using IE). So even if a tag is unused now, in the time between UA 1 implementing the feature (and leading edge users using it) and UA 4 implementing the feature (and thus all users having it) there will be millions of crackpot authors who copy and paste content from good authors targetting UA1 and expose that content to UA4, thus creating a pile of "legacy" content ''after'' we define the syntax. (This has already happened with SVG and MathML in text/html, q.v. [http://www.cocopahrv.com/map.html] and [http://www.laroseweb.com/calcs/fans.php].)		Authors have, for some reason I haven't understood but which I have seen a ''lot'' on the web, a weird way of working, which consists of, sometimes, copying seemingly random chunks of pages, and pasting them into their own. They will even copy stuff from pages where the stuff does something in one browser (e.g. Firefox when that page is sent as XML), and paste them into their page where it does nothing (e.g. they're using IE). So even if a tag is unused now, in the time between UA 1 implementing the feature (and leading edge users using it) and UA 4 implementing the feature (and thus all users having it) there will be millions of crackpot authors who copy and paste content from good authors targetting UA1 and expose that content to UA4, thus creating a pile of "legacy" content ''after'' we define the syntax. (This has already happened with SVG and MathML in text/html, q.v. http://www.cocopahrv.com/map.html and http://www.laroseweb.com/calcs/fans.php .)

Hixie at 11:27, 28 May 2008

2008-05-28T11:27:29Z

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 See the notes in:
 * http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20080417
 * http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-April/014372.html

Hixie: New page: See the notes in: * http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20080417 * http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-April/014372.html

2008-05-28T11:19:36Z

New page: See the notes in: * http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20080417 * http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-April/014372.html

New page

See the notes in:
* http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20080417
* http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-April/014372.html