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<div>Research, data, use cases, issues, and enhancements related to the HTML5 <code>cite</code> element.<br />
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== Speaker ==<br />
The cite element has been used (and recommended to be used) to refer to speakers in a conversation, or individuals when quoting them, thus HTML5 should explicitly permit and encourage this use.<br />
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This section serves to document both uses in the wild, and long-standing recommendations/documentations thereof.<br />
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=== Examples in the Wild ===<br />
* 2003-08-23: <cite>[http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/08/29/semantics Won’t somebody please think of the gerbils?]</cite> by <cite>[http://diveintomark.org/ Mark Pilgrim]</cite>: <blockquote>I mark up names of people I link to (like in the list above) with the CITE tag, and I have a script that runs every night that aggregates those tags and creates posts by citation.</blockquote><br />
* [http://www.geekinthepark.co.uk/transcripts/2008/brian-cant.html transcript of the presentation “What Brian Cant Never Taught You About Metadata”, by Drew McLellen] (this is from a template I provided the transcription company; all others are similar structure. brucel)<br />
* Many blog posts on [http://adactio.com/journal/ adactio.com], e.g <cite>[http://adactio.com/journal/1398/ Blame]</cite> from 2008-01-09: <blockquote>...something Bruce Sterling said at last year’s South by Southwest...</blockquote><br />
* Default WordPress theme ("Kubrick") uses cite for name of commenters. That's approx 46 bajillion instances.<br />
* The transcripts for comics (#34 and onward) at [http://www.cssquirrel.com/ CSSquirrel]. The links to the transcripts are hidden from sighted users, one example is: [http://www.cssquirrel.com/comicscripts/script35.htm Transcript #35 2009-09-08]<br />
* 2005-05-16: Speakers in this <cite>[http://erikanderica.org/erik/work/lazarus/playtext/ Towneley Lazarus play]</cite> edition are identified using CITE.<br />
* [http://igofigure.com/page/testimonials/ Testimonials on the website for Go Figure Inc.] use cite to denote the names/locations of the people who provided the testimonial<br />
* [http://guineylaw.com/testimonials/ The Law Offices of Thomas G Guiney] uses cite to mark up the names of speakers for testimonial quotes.<br />
* [http://2009.dconstruct.org/podcast/makeitso/ Podcast transcript] from dConstruct 2009 ([http://2009.dconstruct.org/podcast/ more])<br />
* Various "conversations"/transcripts at [http://peterjanes.ca/blog/ Petroglyphs], e.g. [http://peterjanes.ca/blog/2008/04/04/bang/ dialogue], and [http://peterjanes.ca/blog/wp-content/themes/petroglyphs/style.css CSS classes defined for terms, titles, etc.] ([http://peterjanes.ca/2005/citations/# XMDP])<br />
* any article at Einfach für Alle (major german accessibility resource), e.g. [http://www.einfach-fuer-alle.de/artikel/ueberschriften-strukturen-in-html/] (see sidebar, 4th box from top labelled "mehr dazu:") uses cite to mark up authors' names<br />
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=== Documentation ===<br />
* 1998-04-24 <cite>[http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-html40-19980424/struct/text.html#h-9.2.1 HTML 4.0 REC]</cite> <blockquote>Contains a citation or a reference to other sources.</blockquote><blockquote><p>As &lt;CITE&gt;Harry S. Truman&lt;/CITE&gt; said,<br>&lt;Q lang="en-us"&gt;The buck stops here.&lt;/Q&gt;</p><p>More information can be found in &lt;CITE&gt;[ISO-0000]&lt;/CITE&gt;.</p></blockquote><br />
* 1999-12-24 <cite>[http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#edef-CITE HTML 4.01 REC]</cite> (same definition and examples as quoted above).<br />
* 2005-03-13: <cite>[http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/03/elementsofxhtml/ The Elements of Meaningful XHTML]</cite> presentation (to an overflowing room at SXSW Interactive 2005 in Austin, TX) specifically, [http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/03/elementsofxhtml/#slide10 slide10 and following] document blog quote markup, and [http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/03/elementsofxhtml/#slide19 slide 19 and following] document conversation markup.<br />
** 2005-09-29: update: <cite>[http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/09/elements-of-xhtml/ The Elements of Meaningful XHTML]</cite> presentation (to a packed room at Web Essential 05 in Sydney Australia) again [http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/09/elements-of-xhtml/#slide10 slide 10 and following], and [http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/09/elements-of-xhtml/#slide34 slide 34 and following] respectively.<br />
* ...<br />
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=== Opinions ===<br />
Opinions on whether HTML5 should explicitly permit and encourage use of the cite element to refer to speakers in a conversation, or individuals when quoting them:<br />
<div class="discussion"><br />
* +1 [http://www.zeldman.com/superfriends/ HTML5 Super Friends], specifically [http://www.zeldman.com/superfriends/guide/#cite cite element: review of data].<br />
* +1 [[Tantek]]<br />
* +1 [[User:Adactio|Jeremy Keith]]<br />
* Bruce Lawson, article agreeing with Tantek, July 06 [http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2006/breaking-news-w3c-specs-are-not-word-of-god/ Breaking news: w3c specs are not the Word of God]<br />
* +1 [http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/User:Cssquirrel Kyle Weems]<br />
* +1 [http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/User:Erikvorhes Erik Vorhes]<br />
* +1 [http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Themattharris Matt Harris]<br />
* -0 [[User:EdwardOConnor|EdwardOConnor]]<br />
* +1 [[User:Xanthir|Tab Atkins Jr.]]<br />
* +1 [http://www.rachaelmoore.name/web-design/html-web-design/citing-in-html5-cite-attribute-and-cite-tag/ Citing in HTML5] by Rachel Moore<br />
* +1 [[User:Tcaspers|Tomas Caspers]]<br />
* +1 [[NickFitz]]<br />
* +1 [[User:Asbjornu|Asbjørn Ulsberg]]<br />
</div><br />
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== related ==<br />
* [[FAQ#The_.3Ccite.3E_element_should_allow_names_of_people_to_be_marked_up|WHATWG FAQ re cite and names of people]]<br />
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== references ==<br />
* [http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#edef-CITE HTML 4.01 definition of the CITE element]</div>Hguineyhttps://wiki.whatwg.org/index.php?title=Cite_element&diff=4238Cite element2009-11-25T18:48:46Z<p>Hguiney: /* examples in the wild */</p>
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<div>Research, data, use cases, issues, and enhancements related to the HTML5 <code>cite</code> element.<br />
<br />
== speaker ==<br />
The cite element has been used (and recommended to be used) to refer to speakers in a conversation, or individuals when quoting them, thus HTML5 should explicitly permit and encourage this use.<br />
<br />
This section serves to document both uses in the wild, and long-standing recommendations/documentations thereof.<br />
<br />
=== examples in the wild ===<br />
* 2003-08-23: <cite>[http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/08/29/semantics Won’t somebody please think of the gerbils?]</cite> by <cite>[http://diveintomark.org/ Mark Pilgrim]</cite>: <blockquote>I mark up names of people I link to (like in the list above) with the CITE tag, and I have a script that runs every night that aggregates those tags and creates posts by citation.</blockquote><br />
* [http://www.geekinthepark.co.uk/transcripts/2008/brian-cant.html transcript of the presentation “What Brian Cant Never Taught You About Metadata”, by Drew McLellen] (this is from a template I provided the transcription company; all others are similar structure. brucel)<br />
* Many blog posts on [http://adactio.com/journal/ adactio.com], e.g <cite>[http://adactio.com/journal/1398/ Blame]</cite> from 2008-01-09: <blockquote>...something Bruce Sterling said at last year’s South by Southwest...</blockquote><br />
* Default WordPress theme ("Kubrick") uses cite for name of commenters. That's approx 46 bajillion instances.<br />
* The transcripts for comics (#34 and onward) at [http://www.cssquirrel.com/ CSSquirrel]. The links to the transcripts are hidden from sighted users, one example is: [http://www.cssquirrel.com/comicscripts/script35.htm Transcript #35 2009-09-08]<br />
* 2005-05-16: Speakers in this <cite>[http://erikanderica.org/erik/work/lazarus/playtext/ Towneley Lazarus play]</cite> edition are identified using CITE.<br />
* [http://igofigure.com/page/testimonials/ Testimonials on the website for Go Figure Inc.] use cite to denote the names/locations of the people who provided the testimonial<br />
* [http://guineylaw.com/testimonials/ The Law Offices of Thomas G Guiney] uses cite to mark up the names of speakers for testimonial quotes.<br />
<br />
=== documentation ===<br />
* 1998-04-24 <cite>[http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-html40-19980424/struct/text.html#h-9.2.1 HTML 4.0 REC]</cite> <blockquote>Contains a citation or a reference to other sources.</blockquote><blockquote><p>As &lt;CITE&gt;Harry S. Truman&lt;/CITE&gt; said,<br>&lt;Q lang="en-us"&gt;The buck stops here.&lt;/Q&gt;</p><p>More information can be found in &lt;CITE&gt;[ISO-0000]&lt;/CITE&gt;.</p></blockquote><br />
* 1999-12-24 <cite>[http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#edef-CITE HTML 4.01 REC]</cite> (same definition and examples as quoted above).<br />
* 2005-03-13: <cite>[http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/03/elementsofxhtml/ The Elements of Meaningful XHTML]</cite> presentation (to an overflowing room at SXSW Interactive 2005 in Austin, TX) specifically, [http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/03/elementsofxhtml/#slide10 slide10 and following] document blog quote markup, and [http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/03/elementsofxhtml/#slide19 slide 19 and following] document conversation markup.<br />
** 2005-09-29: update: <cite>[http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/09/elements-of-xhtml/ The Elements of Meaningful XHTML]</cite> presentation (to a packed room at Web Essential 05 in Sydney Australia) again [http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/09/elements-of-xhtml/#slide10 slide 10 and following], and [http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/09/elements-of-xhtml/#slide34 slide 34 and following] respectively.<br />
* ...<br />
<br />
=== opinions ===<br />
Opinions on whether HTML5 should explicitly permit and encourage use of the cite element to refer to speakers in a conversation, or individuals when quoting them:<br />
<div class="discussion"><br />
* +1 [http://www.zeldman.com/superfriends/ HTML5 Super Friends], specifically [http://www.zeldman.com/superfriends/guide/#cite cite element: review of data].<br />
* +1 [[Tantek]]<br />
* +1 [[User:Adactio|Jeremy Keith]]<br />
* Bruce Lawson, article agreeing with Tantek, July 06 [http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2006/breaking-news-w3c-specs-are-not-word-of-god/ Breaking news: w3c specs are not the Word of God]<br />
* +1 [http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/User:Cssquirrel Kyle Weems]<br />
* +1 [http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/User:Erikvorhes Erik Vorhes]<br />
* +1 [http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Themattharris Matt Harris]<br />
* -0 [[User:EdwardOConnor|EdwardOConnor]]<br />
* +1 [[User:Xanthir|Tab Atkins Jr.]]<br />
* +1 [http://www.rachaelmoore.name/web-design/html-web-design/citing-in-html5-cite-attribute-and-cite-tag/ Citing in HTML5] by Rachel Moore<br />
</div><br />
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== related ==<br />
* [[FAQ#The_.3Ccite.3E_element_should_allow_names_of_people_to_be_marked_up|WHATWG FAQ re cite and names of people]]<br />
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== references ==<br />
* [http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#edef-CITE HTML 4.01 definition of the CITE element]</div>Hguiney