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Welcome to the WHATWG Wiki!

You can be a part of our community, making proposals for the next version of HTML5. This wiki is made available for you for drafting proposals, for writing essays, for keeping track of HTML-related issues, and so forth. Anyone can create an account and contribute content.

Before you begin, you may wish to read our [[WHATWG Wiki:Contribution Guidelines|contribution guidelines]].

==Purpose==
The purpose of the WHATWG Wiki is to create a place for WHATWG contributors to post and compile their own proposals and ideas regarding WHATWG specifications. The specifications themselves will not be available for editing via this wiki. However, ideas you post here may find their way into current and future WHATWG specifications.

== Main sections and Quick links ==
* [[FAQ]]
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* [[What you can do]] — '''[[Reviewing HTML5|Help us review HTML5!]]
* [[Authoring|Using HTML 5 in your Web site]]
* [[HTML vs. XHTML]]
* [[HTML5 Presentations]]
* [[Spec coordination]]
* [[IDE]]
* [[Testsuite]]
* [[Registries]]

==WHATWG Specifications==
* [[HTML5]]
* [[Web Workers]]
* See also [[FAQ#What_are_the_various_versions_of_the_spec.3F|What are the various versions of the spec?]] in the FAQ.

==Communicating with the community==
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* [http://www.whatwg.org/mailing-list Mailing lists]
* [http://blog.whatwg.org/ The blog], including [http://blog.whatwg.org/category/whats-next Mark Pilgrim's column "What's next in HTML5"]
* [http://www.w3.org/html/planet/ W3C's "HTML5 planet"]
* [http://forums.whatwg.org/ The forum]
* [[IRC]]
* [http://wiki.whatwg.org/ This wiki]

== Research and data ==
Research pertaining to and data on publishing behavior for various bits of markup, used to help drive decisions made in/for HTML5 for specific elements and attributes.
=== feature areas ===
* [[timed tracks]]
* [[SRT research]]

=== elements ===
* [[cite]]
* [[del]]
* [[input]]
* [[summary]]
* [[time]]

=== attributes ===
* [[alt]]
* [[charset]]
* [[class]]
* [[longdesc]]
* [[sandbox]]
* [[Table Summary|summary]]

=== meta ===
* [[Content-Language]]

These pages may also be of interest:

* [[Issue Discussion]]
* [[Feature Proposals]]
* [[Presentational elements and attributes]]
* [http://www.baileybuttonugg.net UGG Bailey Button]
* [http://www.uggsdiscountcom.com UGGS Discount]
* [http://www.uggsoutletugg.net UGGS Outlet]

Rationale

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This document serves a rationale document for various parts of the HTML5 specification. Over time this page will be a complete rationale document.

== General Rationale ==

=== One Vendor, One Veto ===

Part of the the goal of the WHATWG is to document how web browsers actually handle HTML. As such browser vendors already have veto power - by not following the standard. The W3C and WHATWG do not have any enforcement power and can only write what browsers are willing to implement. Not removing features from the HTML standard that at least one browser vendor has stated they are unwilling to implement causes the HTML spec to not accurately document reality.<ref>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jul/0257.html -- Re: Codecs for <video> and <audio></a></ref><ref>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2009Jul/0075.html --Formal Objection to One vendor, One Veto</ref>. The veto isn't a
power that we grant browsers, it's a right that they earn on their own by virtue of having users. The minimum market share for a veto is somewhere around 1%.<ref>http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2010-June/026897.html</ref>

=== Using elements where scripts "work" ===
In addition, arguments were made that JavaScript-based implementations of details suffer from problems and limitations. Scripting behavior may be inconsistent across browsers, or even unavailable in some contexts. Accessibility is "bolted on", allowing more opportunity for author error, even when using libraries. The data model is not exposed in a consistent way in the markup. And matching native appearance and behavior across a range of platforms may be impractical.<ref>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jun/att-0659/issue-93-decision.html</ref>

=== It isn't just about web browsers ===
Web browsers are not the only programs that use HTML. Sometimes elements and features are needed even when browsers won't use them in any meaningful way. Document authoring tools, validators, search engines, screen readers, outliners, researchers, etc. all need and can use more information than a browser can. Furthermore if you provide more information than is currently used by browsers it opens up room for innovation.

=== Experimenting with features ===
New unknown and untested features are unlikely to get accepted into the WHATWG spec. Browsers and browser extensions (like Google Gears) are expected to first establish use cases and implementation possibilities before the spec is changed. <ref>http://www.mail-archive.com/whatwg@lists.whatwg.org/msg22577.html</ref>

=== Versioning the spec ===
Most authors don't care about whether or not an implementation supports an entire, full specification; they just want to know "Can I use this feature in this browser?" So saying that all major implementations support much of CSS 2 to a high degree of correctness is useless for knowing if, say, the author can use display: run-in. In other words, the feature tables are what web authors would actually use in real life.<ref>http://www.mail-archive.com/whatwg@lists.whatwg.org/msg23306.html</ref>



=== Modifying existing semantics ===
Some elements have different semantics than what HTML4 users would expect. Semantic markup isn't very useful if most pages use elements in a manner that conflicts with the defined semantics. For example, if a search engine treated dd as enclosing a term being defined, for the purposes of searching for definitions (or excluding defining occurrences from results), it would not find many definitions, and it would misclassify things.<ref>http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/help-whatwg.org/2010-October/000668.html</ref>

== Specific Elements ==

=== Doctype ===
Since HTML5 has moved to an unversioned model the doctype does not a have version number. It is necessary for legacy browsers that will switch to standards mode only when a doctype is present.

=== Plaintext ===
The <plaintext> element is a obsolete precursor to the <pre> element. <ref>http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/draft-ietf-iiir-html-01.txt</ref> It is now in the HTML5 spec as a method of stopping all further html token parsing. It lacks an end tag and just emits the rest of the page as plain text. It throws a parse error upon reaching the end of the document as it is not considered a valid element (and it is missing an end-tag).

=== Image ===

<image> element is treated as an alternate (but invalid) name for <img>. This is because some sites (around 0.2%<ref>Email from Ian Hickson; comment in spec source</ref>) make this mistake. It is already treated as an image by most major browsers.

=== Meter and Progress (are not the same thing) ===

<meter> is not just a special case of <progress>. The meter element represents a scalar measurement within a known range, such as storage quota usage, a relative popularity rating or relevance indicator. The control allows for the indication of high and low ranges, or minimum, maximum and optimal levels.

The progress element, on the other hand, represents the completion progress of a task. This could be a real time indicator for background processing task (e.g. using Web Workers or a file upload). Progress elmements can also be in the indeterminate state, indicating that something is in progress, but it's completion progress is unknown.<ref>http://html5doctor.com/your-questions-answered-11/</ref>

The default rendering for a meter element could look something like the following:

<img src="http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/userexperience/conceptual/applehiguidelines/art/ct_leveldiscrete.gif" alt="example of proper rendering for the meter element">

Whereas, the default rendering for the progress element could look like this:

<img src="http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/userexperience/conceptual/applehiguidelines/art/ct_determprogsizes.jpg">

Alternatively, an indeterminate progress bar could also be styled as a throbber, which indicates progress without any indication of the remaining progress:

<img src="http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/userexperience/conceptual/applehiguidelines/art/ct_asynchprogindsizes.jpg" alt="picture of the default apple throbber">

See [http://www.mail-archive.com/whatwg@lists.whatwg.org/msg01308.html Re: <progress> draft] for details.

=== B, I, EM, STRONG, and MARK ===
 is meant to indicate that some text is emphasized. is meant to confer importance upon text. is meant for text that is stylistically offset from the rest of the text. Finally is used to indicate that some text is meant to be read in an alternate mood.


For example
Cats are cute animals.
could mean that cats are specifically cute.
Cats are cute animals.
could mean that the word cute is in some way important
Cats are cute animals.
could mean that the word cute is a new word (perhaps in a language lesson) but is not important
Cats are cute animals.
could mean that the word cute is meant to be read in a different tone (sarcastically for example)
Cats are cute animals.
means that the sentence is to be read normally but the word "cute" should be highlighted or marked in some way. This could be used for search terms on the page or alterations to an original text.

=== IMG tag & alt text ===
On certain types of pages adding alt text is impossible (like sites that the user could upload images but does not supply a description). Because of this the alt attribute is optional <ref>http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/articles/altinhtml5.html</ref><ref>http://juicystudio.com/article/requiring-alt-attribute-html5.php</ref><ref>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Jun/0393.html</ref>
A longdesc attribute is not needed <ref>http://juicystudio.com/article/html5-image-element-no-alt.php</ref>

=== textarea ===

The text area defaults to soft wrapping of the text area. The attribute @wrap can have one of the following values: soft, hard, or off.<ref>http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-textarea-element-0</ref>. "off" is considered a non-conforming value because it appears to have no purpose other than a visual presentational effect. <ref>http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-August/022022.html</ref><ref>http://www.mail-archive.com/whatwg@lists.whatwg.org/msg22660.html</ref>

=== hgroup and other heading elements ===
The point of <hgroup> is to hide the subtitle from the outlining algorithm.


=== details element ===
The <details> element is needed to provide an accessible way of reflecting a
common application widget in HTML-based applications without requiring authors
to use extensive scripting, ARIA, and platform-specific CSS to get the same
effect.<ref>http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8379#c13</ref><ref>http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/removedetails</ref>

== HTML parsing ==

=== script element ===

Why the [http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/scripting-1.html#restrictions-for-contents-of-script-elements restrictions for contents of script elements]? Why the [http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tokenization.html#script-data-double-escaped-dash-dash-state complicated parsing rules for script elements]?

See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/2010Mar/0017.html

==== @DEFER and @ASYNC ====
ASYNC tells the browsers to run the script with its following content at the SAME time(namely, asynchronously).
DEFER tells the browsers to run the script LATER, and to run the following content first(the browsers will run the script until the page is ready).<ref>http://www.mail-archive.com/whatwg@lists.whatwg.org/msg22436.html</ref>

=== quirks mode ===

The HTML parser has [http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tokenization.html#parsing-main-inbody the following] behavior difference in quirks mode:

<blockquote><dl><dt>A start tag whose tag name is "table"
<dd>If the Document is not set to quirks mode, and the stack of open elements has a p element in scope, then act as if an end tag with the tag name "p" had been seen.</dl></blockquote>

Why? See http://hsivonen.iki.fi/last-html-quirk/

=== ignored white space before head ===

White space before the <code><head></code> tag is ignored. The main reason is that, given the markup

<pre>
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
<head>
<title>Sample page</title>
...,
</pre>

some people expect

<pre>
document.documentElement.firstChild
</pre>

to return the <code>head</code> element.<ref><cite>[http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-March/014148.html [whatwg] several messages about the tree construction stage of HTML parsing]</cite></ref>




== Failed proposals ==
=== An "advert" tag for advertisements ===
There is no advert tag because if users had an easy method of plainly disabling all ads from downloading or appearing content authors would cease to use the tag.<ref>http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-February/013939.html</ref>

=== sandbox attribute on the html element ===
HTML is the wrong level for disabling scripts or other features. This is the kind of thing we should do at the HTTP layer.<ref>http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8849</ref><ref>https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/CSP</ref>

=== feature queries ===
Various proposals have come up with the idea of being able to determine of a certain feature is available.<ref>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Dec/0130.html</ref> These fail for a variety of reasons:
Part of the problem is that browser vendors will be economical with the truth. Marketing people always have an over-optimistic view of the compliance of their product, and will always give themselves the benefit of the doubt in borderline cases. Also, changing the compliance statement, to remove false claims that are exposed, is likely to a very low priority for the developers.<ref>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Jul/0097.html</ref>
With regard to CSS feature compliance: Remember that CSS
provides hints and implementations don't have to accept those hints, and
hardware may sometimes prevent their being implemented.<ref>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Nov/0000.html</ref>
Some other reasons can be found in the footnotes.<ref>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Oct/0074.html</ref><ref>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2004Mar/0282.html</ref>

=== custom HTML elements ===
Custom elements make it impossible for search engines, developers, and browsers to understand the semantics of a page.<ref>http://html5doctor.com/your-questions-13/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+html5doctor+%28HTML5doctor%29</ref>



== Other Pages ==

* [[Why no namespaces]]
* [[Why no script implements]]
* [http://www.uggsdiscountcom.com UGGS Discount]
* [http://www.uggsoutletugg.net UGGS Outlet]
* [[Why not reuse legend|Why not reuse legend or another ''mini-header'' element.]]
* [http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/KeepNewElements Rationale for a variety of elements]
* [[XHTML2 versus HTML5]]
* [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Aug/0300.html <meta http-equiv=content-language> ]
* [http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/RationalesGathering earlier page started with the same purpose.]
* [http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/KeepNewElements rationale for some new HTML5 elements]
* [http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ WHATWG FAQ]
* [http://www.baileybuttonugg.net UGG Bailey Button]

== References ==
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